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« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2007, 09:25:05 PM »

razer baracuda asik c juga wkkw
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« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2008, 09:05:33 PM »

ada yg berani compare razer piranha + dsp55 VS senn pc 155 usb? hehe.. mendingan mana ya kira2?

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« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2008, 07:45:45 AM »

piranha lom pernah cobain sama dsp 55 vs, tapi soal kualitas senn pc 155 dah pernah coba dan itu lumayan. tapi untuk harga segitu nanggung.

kalau mau langsung yg top abiez, bisa ke merek" yg lebih terkenal tapi harganya juga lumayan. kayak Haman Kardon, Altec Lansing, Creative atau Boze.
jgn cari yg harga abal-abalnya. rata" merek di atas itu 2jt++ baru bagus. cuman itu paling kendalanya, harga ga pernah boong deh^^
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« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2008, 07:49:43 AM »

headset yg suara nya flat ada gak ya...?
yang biasa di pake buat rekording
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« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2008, 09:46:37 AM »

senheiser pc166
steelseries siberia neckband + SC steelsound
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« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2008, 11:21:29 AM »

eh.. nanya dunk pas banget ada yg naekin lage ni topik..

gw ge bingunq enakan pake headset ato earphone y? (buat dngerin musik am maen game di laptop)
tpi kadanq" rada malez pake headset abisnya ada yg gag nutupin sluruh kuping gitu,,
ada yg kcil jdi gag enak dipakenya.. truz klo gedenya nanggung" jdi sakit kuping gw lama"...

n gw lage rencana mo beli headset/earphone ny sennheiser
klo headset ny sennheiser tuh uda nutupin sluruh kuping ya?? jdi comfort gitu..
ada yg bisa rekomendasiin??
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« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2008, 05:00:50 PM »

kalo gue pribadi sih, lebih suka pake headset, karena lebih nyaman (kalo dibanding earphone)
apa lagi kalo wireless

sekarang gue pake philips (lupa seri nya)

tapi lg mau beli headset yg flat
soalnya mau di pake buat rekording
masalah nya gue gak tau merek en tipe nya
hahahhahahah
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« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2008, 08:38:01 PM »

Gw pribadi sih pake A-Tech. Itu juga udah bagus. Tapi kenapa yah suara nya koq terkesan kecil gitu pas kena billing???
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« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2008, 09:20:48 AM »

baru abis liat" di website"...
kekna sennheiser hd 485 baguz deh...
lebi murah dripada 555 am 280 pro yg kekna lbi bagus.. (?)
tpi di indo ada yg jual gag yah tuh produk...
ada gak toko sennheiser gitu di sini?? hehe
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« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2008, 03:34:18 PM »

kebetulan g pernah coba 2 headphone, 1 headset sennheiser review :

pc-140 (headset)
Kualitas Suara ( Kejernihan dan Power ) : 3
Bass : 2
Treble : 3
Harga : 2
Comfort : 3
OVERALL : 3


HD-202 (headphone)
Kualitas Suara ( Kejernihan dan Power ) : 4
Bass : 4
Treble : 3
Harga : 5
Comfort : 3
OVERALL : 4

HD-515 (headphone)
Kualitas Suara ( Kejernihan dan Power ) : 4
Bass : 3
Treble : 4
Harga : 2
Comfort : 5
OVERALL : 4

kesimpulan : buat yang HD-515, keknya di PC gua ga maksimal deh, mungkin gara2 SC gua cuman pake audigy value doank ato mungkin karena jacknya 6.3mm jadi mo colok ke PC kudu pake converternya (mungkin jadi ga maksimal, bener kaga nih ?), jadi kurang gmn gitu, mutu suaranya g bilang ampir sama aja sama HD-202, malah bassnya lebih nendang HD-202, cuman klo soal comfort... jauh banget pake HD-515 mo seharian di taro di kuping juga keknya ga bakal ada masalah, soal headsetnya pc-140, buat denger lagu & movie kurang puas gua... buat gaming ya ok lah semuanya ga ada masalah  Cheesy

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« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2008, 08:56:01 AM »

stelah gw liat" review.. tnyata sennheiser HD 555 uda mantep...
ngumpulin duid dlu dah.. xD
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« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2008, 10:10:15 AM »

gw coba tmn gw punya si PC166 behhh....

keren bener dah...

salud  ;)6
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« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2008, 12:45:38 PM »

klo utk game menurut gw sih d'best steelsound 5H V2!
soal ny prnah nyoba punya temen,,suara jernih banget udah gitu nutup tlinga smua,jadi suara dari luar gak ng'ganggu!

trs yg kedua seinheizer PC 166 itu juga enak kok!

klo gw sih pake Plantronics GCP dulu,,ini juga enak bwt game tapi klamaan sakit di kuping >.<
trs treable ny agak kegedean mnrt gue! jadi biasany klo main pake persono u/ atur bas,trable,dll!!

saran gw sih beli steelsound 5H V2,,biar mahal gak nyesel pake ny  LoL LoL
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« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2008, 01:01:00 PM »

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Steelsound 5Hv2 USB
Icemat Siberia USB
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« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2008, 12:34:32 PM »

PC166 nutup kuping gitu gak?

gw nyari yg kek HD555 tuh yg circumaural... jdi enak pake nya...
kaga kegeser" n ga bkin kuping pegel..
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« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2008, 12:49:05 PM »

steelsound 5hv2USB aja..

jernih bgt..

meskipun agak cempreng..klo mau lebih ngebass yah pilih pc166..

tp dibanding pc166 , gw lebih prefer 5hv2USB , soalnya pc166 earmuffnya kecil bgt..

gampang begeser , gk nutup kuping buat keseluruhan ...

yah buat gw 2 hedset itu yg lg the best deh...

klo buat model n gaya pake aja siberia neckband  ;)6
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« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2008, 09:47:58 PM »

kalo g sih tetep megang gcp bass ok surround jg ok
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« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2008, 09:50:22 PM »

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« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2008, 03:16:54 PM »

buat yang lagi pengen compare[bandingin] baik&buruk + ganteng-gantengan Headset high quality Call Me

5HV2


siberia white

siberia black


siberia neckband



baracuda


sennheiser PC350


sennheiser PC161



Creative Fatal1ty Headset


Speedlink Medusa 5.1 ProGamer Edition



SteelSeries Siberia In-Ear Headset White

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Steelseries SteelSound 5Hv2 USB Headset

Speaker Freq    16 - 28,000 Hz . 40 Ohm Impedance
Connection    3.5mm Headphone Jack
Cable Length    1m, with 2m Extension    Volume Control    On Extension Lead.
Mic Freq    75 - 16,000 Hz.    Noise Cancelling    Not Specified
Mic Sensitivity    -38dB    Mic Connection    3.5mm Cable

SteelSound 5H v2 is an optimized version of the original SteelSound 5H headset. The new headset features improved microphone quality, a longer microphone cord, bigger (and more comfortable) ear cushions, additional frame pressure and numerous other technical design improvements.

Features;

    Custom-engineered soundscape designed specifically to enhance performance and immersion in gaming. This headset was developed and optimized for in-game sound frequencies, which makes in-game sounds like footsteps, alerts and gunfire especially clear. You will be able to hear and pinpoint the location of your opponents, often before they hear you.

    Full-size headphones gently fit around the ears and reduce background noise, while providing maximum wearing comfort.

    The USB soundcard ensures a consistent sound experience, no matter what computer system it's plugged into. Dedicated gamers will especially benefit from the USB soundcard, as it allows them to experience the exact same sound as they normally play with, even when playing at tournaments or at LAN-centers. Just bring your SteelSound 5H v2 USB with you - and you're set.

    Bringing the headset with you has never been easier or safer. The SteelSound 5H v2 USB can be easily dismantled into 3 separate parts, which makes transportation a breeze. The pieces will easily fit into a bag or a carrying case.

    SteelSound 5H v2 USB also features a pull-out microphone system. The retractable microphone is practically invisible when not in use. The microphone cord is covered in high quality transparent plastic to ensure long-lasting durability.

    The newest driver for the SteelSound 5H v2 USB can be found here.

Soundcard

USB 2.0
Virtual 7.1 Surround sound
12 channels Equalizer
2 * 3.5 mm Jacks, USB Connection
Operating systems :Win XP/Win 2000/Win98/Win ME/Mac OS
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SteelSeries Siberia Headset USB Edition
4154
Speaker Freq    18 - 28,000 Hz . 40 Ohm Impedance
Connection    3.5mm Headphone Jack,
Includes USB Sound Card (see below)
Cable Length    1m, with 1.8m Extension    Volume Control    On Extension Lead.
Mic Freq    80 - 15,000 Hz.    Noise Cancelling    Not Specified
Mic Sensitivity    -38dB    Mic Connection    3.5mm Cable / USB Sound Card

SteelSeries Siberia full-size headset highlights:

    - Designed for gaming + MP3-players
    - Extremely comfortable
    - Seperate microphone

The SteelSeries Siberia full-size headset was developed in cooperation with professional gamers to ensure that the soundscape, specifications and comfort is suitable for long gaming sessions. But the SteelSeries Siberia full-size headset is also designed for multi-functionality. Apart from using the headset for PC-gaming, this product has been designed so gamers can use it with their favorite MP3-player, handheld gaming device or practically any other kind of portable digital device.

And that is why the headset features a separate microphone, so users can enjoy music on the road without having to bring carrying unneccesary gear. The cord length has been optimized for use with MP3-players and similar products, and comes with an additional extra long cord for use with stationary computers.

SteelSeries Siberia USB soundcard highlights:

    - Virtual 7.1 surround sound
    - Supports 3D positional

The SteelSeries Siberia USB soundcard offers a consistent sound experience allowing gamers to always play with the exact same sound and settings, no matter where in the world - or at what computer they are playing.

This product was designed for gamers with onboard soundcards and/or gamers who regularly find themselves playing at third party computers. The 12 channel equalizer allows for tweaking to personal preferences, while the built-in effects processor can provide ambience and other effects.

The USB soundcard supports the following systems: Win XP/Vista/Win 2000/Win 98/Win ME/Mac OS.


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Siberia Neckband Headset White

The original Siberia Full-Size Headset was released in late 2004 and instantly became a smash-hit among
leading professional gamers. The product was the irst professional gaming headset to fully cover the users’
ears, adding new levels of comfort to audio products for gamers.
The new SteelSeries Siberia Neckband Headset features a similar eye-catching visual design, as well as the
popular white theme, that made the original Siberia headset so popular. The comfort and soundscape in the
SteelSeries Siberia Neckband Headset was ine-tuned with the help of professional gamers, electronic DJ’s
and rock musicians. The combined input and feedback from this broad range of picky audiophiles helped
create a soundscape optimized for a multitude of uses. Final sound optimizations for gaming were done with
the help of Abdisamad ‘SpawN’ Mohamed, one of the world’s most accomplished Counter-Strike players with
12 major international grand-slam championship titles and “Best of Class” awards by leading eSport sites in
2004, 2005 and 2006. The SteelSeries Siberia Neckband also includes a specially designed converter that
enables users to fully enjoy stereo audio in a headset, and still be able to use Xbox Live voice at the same
time.
• Developed for gaming and music
• Retractable microphone
• Full-size neckband design
• XBox compatible

Headphones
Freq. response: 18 - 28.000Hz
Impedance: 40 Ohm
SPL@1kHz, 1Vrms: 104dB
Cable: 1 + 1,8 = 3m / 9,8 ft
Jack: 3,5 mm. + 6,3 mm. converter.

Microphone
Freq. response: 80 - 15.000Hz
Pick up pattern: Uni-directional
Sensitivity: -38 dB
Impedance: 2K Ohm
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Razer Barracuda HP-1 Gaming Headphones
4103

The Razer Barracuda™ HP-1 Gaming Headphones uses 99% oxygen-free copper cable for gaming audio signal purity. The Razer Barracuda HP-1 Gaming Headphones also provides for eight discrete audio drivers for optimal positional audio without compromising the gamer’s comfort when using the headset.

With some of the best components selected for the ultra-sensitive speaker drivers, the Razer Barracuda HP-1 Gaming Headphones delivers pinpoint positional accuracy essential for gaming.

The Razer Barracuda HP-1’s built-in microphone is designed specifically for in-game communications—featuring a short shaft for enhanced comfort and audio pickup, the microphone also features advanced noise cancellation capabilities ideal for frenzied in-game correspondence.

Powered with Razer Fidelity™, the Razer Barracuda HP-1 may be used with all soundcards; however, using it with the Razer Barracuda AC-1 gaming soundcard is strongly recommended as it delivers the best gaming audio experience in the world today.

Technical Specifications
8 Discrete Drivers: 6 for Mid-High Frequency, 2 for Bass.
Individual Channel Volume Control / 1 Master Volume Control.
Detachable Microphone.
6 Channel Analog Inputs.
Eight Amplifiers contained within its volume control units.
Output power of 330mW.
Razer HD-DAI™ (High Definition-Dedicated Audio Interface).
99% Oxygen-Free Cable.

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Sennheiser PC350 Headset

Speaker Freq    10 - 26,000 Hz . 150 Ohm Impedance
Connection    3.5mm Headphone Jack
Cable Length    3m    Volume Control    On Cable
Mic Freq    50Hz - 16,000Hz    Noise Cancelling    Yes
Mic Sensitivity    -38 dBV at 94 dBSPL    Mic Connection    3.5mm Cable

General DescriptionWhether battling evil aliens or fighting guerilla warfare, a fraction of a frame separates winners from the rest. Hearing and being heard can make or break a game.

PC 350 marks the beginning of a new era in the gaming headset technology, by adding a never before experienced dimension of reality to gaming providing the most accurate sound positioning and sound quality available in the market. Thanks to Sennheiser’s expertise as a global leader in electro-acoustics, PC 350’s sound perception is so precise, that you will literally feel like you’re in the game.

Features

Closed type, circumaural PC gaming headset
Superior passive attenuation of ambient noise
Frequency response optimized for Binaural Perception
Large size ear cups for comfortable wearing during long gaming sessions
Large size microphone for highest intelligibility
Optimized for Binaural Perception
Passive attenuation of up to 32 dB
Patented Duofol Diaphragm technology
Adaptive baffle damping
Collapsible for easy transport
Volume Control with microphone mute
Connects to virtually any PC sound card

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Sennheiser PC161 Headset
4137
Speaker Freq    15 - 23,000 Hz . 32 Ohm Impedance
Connection    3.5mm Headphone Jack
Cable Length    3m    Volume Control    On Cable
Mic Freq    -    Noise Cancelling    -
Mic Sensitivity    -    Mic Connection    3.5mm Cable

The PC 161 is an over the head binaural headset. The ultimate open back gaming headset providing unparalleled audio performance.

Features
Open speaker system for true to life sound
Extra large ear cups for ensured comfort and stability
Ideal for gaming
Robust microphone for high speech intelligibility
Unique 3D, 360 degree surround sound
Noise cancelling
Adjustable microphone position
Suitable for Internet telephony and VOIP applications
extra thick, single sided cable
Voice recognition
In-line volume control and microphone mute switch
Usable with CD/DVD/MP3 players
Skype certified
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Creative Fatal1ty Headset
4148
Speaker Freq    20 - 20,000 Hz . 32 Ohm Impedance
Connection    3.5mm Headphone Jack
Cable Length    2.5 metres    Volume Control    Yes
Mic Freq    100Hz-18kHz    Noise Cancelling    Yes
Mic Sensitivity    -39dB    Mic Connection    3.5mm Cable

Fine-tune your audio senses with the Fatal1ty Gaming Headset, co-developed with world gaming champion Jonathan "Fatal1ty" Wendel. Sleek, black and with a streak of fiery red, equip yourself with a world-class gaming arsenal that gives you the edge above all others. From the generous head padding to the enclosed plush earcups, your gaming sessions just became a whole lot more comfortable. At the heart of this gaming headset are two large 40mm Neodymium drivers for realistic explosions and piercing gunfire. And as what you hear is just as important as what you say, the Fatal1ty Gaming Headset boasts a flexible and detachable noise-cancelling microphone boom that allows it to be used as a regular pair of headphones. With the in-line volume control, you can easily control your sound level or mute the microphone.

For the serious gamer, the Fatal1ty Gaming Headset does make the difference between victory and defeat.

Comfort in the heat of the battle    Comfort in the heat of the battle
Whether it's vicious cross-fire or the ferocious growls from a rampaging ogre, the large Neodymium drivers deliver ultra-realistic gaming cues all around you. While the plush velvet padding provides comfort and noise isolation, the durable and lightweight headband cushion makes prolonged use extremely comfortable.

Command and conquer    Command and conquer
Clear and specific orders is crucial to securing victory. The Fatal1ty Gaming Headset provides that edge with its detachable noise-cancelling microphone, filtering out unwanted speech and background noise. In addition, the single-sided oxygen-free copper cables deliver freedom, versatility and distortion-free commands with every mission undertaken.

Private conversation    Private conversation
Adjust your in-game sound level or mute the microphone when things become personal. Whatever the situation, the Fatal1ty Gaming Headset provides everything right within your fingertips.

Show your mettle    Show your mettle
Strike fear into all who cross your path. The stylized Fatal1ty insignia and signature is a sure-fire sign that you mean business. Show your foes no mercy.

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Speedlink Medusa 5.1 ProGamer Edition

Speaker Freq    20 - 20,000 Hz
Connection    3 x 3.5mm Headphone Jack. USB Connection for Power
Cable Length    3.8m    Volume Control    Front / Rear / Centre Balance and Vibration Level on Cable.
Mic Freq    20 - 20,000 Hz.    Noise Cancelling    Not Specified
Mic Sensitivity    Not specified    Mic Connection    3.5mm Cable

Enter a world of incomparable surround sound! With this 5.1 Surround Headset, you\'re always in the centre of the action and you won\'t miss a thing: hear a door closing softly behind you or experience the explosion of a galaxy right in front of you. Connect the Medusa 5.1 to the 5.1 sound card in your PC or to your DVD player. Take part in live conferences and experience live chat using the latest internet communication programmes like Skype™, MSN® Messenger, Yahoo!® Messenger and many more...

Rather than requiring an amplifier , the ProGamer Edition can draw power from a USB port, although also includes a mains adapter as a backup. Same performance as the regular Medusas, but does not require the amplifier and includes a detachable microphone and padded carry case.

See http://www.medusa-usa.com/creative_xfi_connect.htm for details on configuring an X-Fi Sound Card with the Medusa headset.

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 SteelSeries Siberia In-Ear Headset White


SteelSeries Siberia In-Ear Headset highlights:

    - Available in black and white
    - Passively reduce background noise
    - Separate microphone

The SteelSeries Siberia In-Ear Headset passively reduce background noise, allowing for listening and IP-telephony in noisy locations. 

The headset is specifically designed for a multitude of uses including MP3-players, laptops, the Sony PSP and other consoles (sound isolation allows for low volume settings) as well as IP-telephony. The headset consists of in-ear earphones and a seperate unidirectional microphone that can be attached to both cord and clothing.

The length of the cable on the In-Ear Headphones is optimized for use with MP3-players and similar products. An extra long cable is included for use with computers.

Three sets of plastic sleeves (six sleeves in total) are included with the headset.

Specifications for SteelSeries Siberia in-ear headset:

Headphone

    - Frequency response: 30 - 24.000 Hz
    - Impedance: 16 Ohm
    - SPL@1kHz, 1V rms: 90 dB
    - Cable length: 1.0 m + 1.8 m = 2.8 m / 9 ft.
    - Jack: 3.5 mm

Microphone

    - Frequency response: 80 - 15.000 Hz
    - Impedance: 2K Ohm
    - Pick-up pattern: Uni-directional
    - Sensitivity (1V/P@1 kHz): -38 dB


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yg jelas masing2 HS punya kekurangan & kelebihannya.

pc166
+ bagus di sound gaming & musicnya
+ nyaman pakenya, ga bikin pusing & ga bikin leher keberatan.

- kabel tipis
- buat sebagian orang ini headset kalah gaya dibanding hs lain[misalnya siberia/neckband]

+ & - earcupnya ga nutup seluruh telinga. buat yg rumahan mungkin HS ini sangat nyaman, tapi minusnya adalah jika dibawa ke warnet yg berisi & cukup mengganggu.


siberia icemat usb
+ bagus di gaming n music
+ gaya plus 100 Too Funny
+ nutup seluruh telinga & ada ventilasinya.

- gaya sih gaya, tapi kayaknya ini hs rentan bgt cedera kalo ngeliat bagian atasnya yg kaya model baracuda. Too Funny
- gw rasa siberia ini ribet kalau mau dibawa pergi, karena kabelnya ribet akibat kepanjangan dan modelnya yg nampak terlihat rentan cedera.

+&- mic terpisah, buat sebagian orang ini bikin ribet.. tapi sebenernya keren juga karena micnya bisa digantung disamping monitor ;)6

5HV2
+ buat gaming [terutama CS] suaranya mungkin lebih baik drpd yg lain
+ mudah dibawa2 karena bisa dilepas
+ earcup menutup seluruh telinga, jadi ga akan terganggu kalau main di warnet/ suasana yg berisik.

- buat music sedikit kalah dibanding HS lain [cth:PC166 / siberia]
- Berat yg menyebabkan pusing & sakit leher bila dipakai kira2 lebih dr 2 jam.
- denger2 mic-nya gampang rusak kalau sering ditarik-masukin.


baracuda
+ kayaknya buat maen CS mantep bener suaranya [dengan catatan seluruh kabelnya dicolok]
inget kan kata2nya "hear your enemy before they hear you"
+ bentuknya cukup keren kalau diliat.

- micnya gw denger2 rentan cedera
- bagian atasnya juga rentan
- kabelnya ribet karena kebanyakan colokan [kalau ga salah ada 6 colokan termasuk usb juga]


buat HS yg lain [macam Neckband] biar yg udah make aja yah yg review.
huehuehe..


ya intinya masing2 HS punya kekurangan & kelebihannya.
semua kembali keselera masing orang, serta tingkat kebutuhan orang tsb ;)6
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« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2008, 04:07:07 PM »

yang bagus wa rasa bwat maen cs ya plantronic tape kalo bwat denger musik ya seinheizer  ;)6
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« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2008, 12:12:45 AM »

menurut gw nyari yang bisa 2-2 susah...

klo gaming mo nyari bass yang gede2 juga ga enak...

klo musik bassnya ga nendang juga ga enak...

jadi ga bisa 2-2 nya lah...

gaming y gaming, multimedia y multimedia...
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« Reply #46 on: June 12, 2008, 05:50:02 PM »

menurut gw nyari yang bisa 2-2 susah...

klo gaming mo nyari bass yang gede2 juga ga enak...

klo musik bassnya ga nendang juga ga enak...

jadi ga bisa 2-2 nya lah...

gaming y gaming, multimedia y multimedia...
kalo PC 166 & Siberia Usb gw rasa mantep tuh 2-2nya. Call Me
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« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2008, 11:35:01 PM »

gw si demen pc166...
kalo 5hv2 gw ga gitu demen karena nutup kuping...
tapi suara 2 2na ok lah ga kalah...
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« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2008, 07:59:36 PM »

PC166 emanqnya baguz bgt ya?
kok banyak banget yg suka gitu yah...

ada yg tau perbandigan PC166 ama HD555 ?
gw mo beli antara ni 2 nih..
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« Reply #49 on: June 19, 2008, 02:18:54 PM »

wah kalo da cobain pc166 mah mantap dah...
kalo HD555 gw blon perna cobain ni..
gw ga demen HS yg bisa nutup kuping soalna..
padahal 5hv2 ga kalah kok suarana
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